Is Crown REALLY the answer? A Review of the XLS 2502 power amplifier!
Is Crown REALLY the answer? A Review of the XLS 2502 power amplifier!
Underappreciated or Overhyped?
Intro music by: Edgar Hopp – ‘Skyfall’
Adoramas Crown XLS 2502 Product Page:
https://www.adorama.com/crxls2502.html
#Crown #XLS2502 #ZeroFidelity
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Amps featured in this review:
Jungson JA-99C (Note: You will need to e-mail China HiFi to get the price of the amp by itself)
https://www.china-hifi-audio.com/en/jungson-audio-amplifier-cd-player-c-27/jungson-ja-1-ja-99c-class-a-balanced-preamp-power-amplifier-ver-standard-20th-p-1017?zenid=597f4935d804ac46cc3837672afb9bc3
XTZ Edge A2-300
https://www.xtzsound.com/reviews/edge-a2-300
Denafrips Hyperion
https://www.denafrips.com/hestia-hyperion
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Speakers used in this evaluation:
Harbeth P3ESR
https://www.harbeth.co.uk/hifi-speaker/11/Harbeth-P3ESR-loudspeaker
Dynaudio Evoke 10
https://www.dynaudio.com/home-audio/evoke/evoke-10
Buchardt Audio S400
https://www.buchardtaudio.com/shop/s400-white
System Audio SA-Legend 5
https://system-audio.com/product/sa-legend-5/
Tekton Design Double Impact
https://www.tektondesign.com/double-impact.html
Klipsch Cornwall IV
https://www.klipsch.com/products/cornwall-iv-floorstanding-speaker
Klipsch RP600M
https://www.klipsch.com/products/rp-600m-bookshelf-speaker
ELAC Debut Reference DBR62
Triangle BRO3
Triangle Australe EZ
https://www.trianglehifi.com/en/produit/hifi-floor-standing-speaker-ez-australe/
As soon as you said class D I lost all interest in this product. I don’t care what they do class D amplifiers do not give you the power that you need or that I need in my application live band sound. Next
Looks like a rack mounted server.
He really enjoys “duh depf”?
Would you go this route or monoblock Outlaw 2200’s?
"most accurate" sold
It is NOT one of the best amps you can buy regardless of the price who ever told you that is one dumb idiot, sorry but they are. QSC’s RMX series sound better around the same price, regardless of price Powersoft, MC2 and Lab Gruppen sound way better. I’ve been in the live sound world for two decades and have used many amps, set many amps up and sound systems up and done many dance music parties myself. The Crown XLS series is Crown’s budget series they’re not bad but they are definitely not even close to being one of the best amplifiers, not even for their price range.
How would this pair with my Yamaha RX-A860 and B&W CM9 S2?
The hi fi. Press will ignore this amp or find something to rubbish it about
I have couple of the Crown 2502’s. I can max the volume without pushing a signal to the amp… I only hear a slight hiss with my ear almost against the tweeter. Not enough that you could even hear in a dead silent room. I have had vintage audio equipment of pristine status that was on par with the Crowns. My speakers sensitivity are 98db SPL too. I have owned quite a bit of high end gear. The Crown’s can hold their own. For the money, they can’t be beat for power, efficiency and features. Not yet… The Crowns match very well with the Emotiva PT-100 (which has a decent DAC built in, or use of a different good DAC (Aune X8 Magic DAC, JDS Labs EL DAC II, The ES9038Q2M SABRE32 Reference DAC, AK4490 – AK4499 etc.) and also using tubes as a buffer, if you want a fuller bodied richer sound. I would use good quality JBL or Klipsch speakers at least. People can get Audiophile grade gear on the cheap these days!!! What can be had for $5,000 today, would have cost you $50,000 or more 20yrs ago. Think about it…
Thoughts on bridging this w/ IOTAVX SA3? instead of the IOTAVX PA3
25 minutes, 3-4 amplifiers…no sound demo or comparisons? Missed opportunity. Why just talk about what it sounds like when you have the ability to demonstrate? A comparison would afflict all amplifiers with the same obstacles for the the audience and wind up leveling the field.
10:51 “smooth treble”, so does this mean it’ll be a good match for the KEF LS50s, whose metal tweeter can sound harsh with the wrong gear?
Adorama is a great place to do business with.
you can use banana plugs, use screw to pull out a plug in center of the screw terminator
I put my finger on exactly what the limits of these PWM amps are.
In measurements, these amps have a HIGH noise floor, that is almost like a dither above 15khz. To some, this may sound like a smooth tube-like treble. And that soft top makes the bass stand out more due to lack of spectral balance.
Additionally, the FR above 15khz gets sporadic.
The reason class D and other PWM amps are "Not there yet" is firmly rooted in these issues.
Questions? Check out these measurements for a basic idea:
https://www.audiosciencereview.com/forum/index.php?threads/review-and-measurements-of-class-d-audio-cda-250c-amp.7180/
It may sound high end but it looks like a Pyle.:)
well done you get a+ for picking the rolled off treble the digital signal processing is notas good as the power amplifier, I’m wondering if using an external high res dsp and bypassing the inbuilt dsp would result in a giant killer
I just got a XLS 2502 yesterday, and it sounds GREAT!
That glue job reminds me of the Verge’s thermal paste application lol
Check out this video to see how to use banana plugs with these amps. I have the XLS 2002 connected to some KEF LS50s with OFC 10 gauge speaker wire with some right angle banana plugs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBkjGKk9_xc
Bought one and after a couple of days of listenning, here are my subjective observations: the fan turns on quite often, the noise floor is considerably higher than within all other class D amps I’ve ever heard. And there is a noise just from the amp itself at all times, even if you unplug all cables. BUT(!): I can’t hear any noise at my listening position. Only if I sit in front of my gear to manually adjust things. But then the noise level is really loud, so loud in fact, that I thought about putting it back into it’s box right away. It’s really strange, because if I move away about 1m, I can’t hear shit! Ok, I am 42 yo and my ears might have suffer a bit from to many concerts. People with more sensitve ears might disagree, but for me it doesnt matter. Because of that I’ll just keep it. Because it has a really, really good sound for the money! But I wouldn’t pay the full price. You can get it considerably cheaper almost any day of the year at around two thirds of the retail price. At least here in Europe.
Hi thanks for the review, I was looking below and maybe I missed it. But did you list what pre-amps you used?
Certainly doesn’t look like a McIntosh on the inside.
Crown is owned by Harmon and because of this Crown shares their profit with Harmon crown power amplifiers are top of the line
Got the amp from Amazon. Thanks for your recommendations. You are accurate on all fronts! You are also right about the background noise that is controllable by keeping the gain at 50%. BTW, my DIs have never sounded the way they do with this amp. More bass and well controlled too. Also, the sound stage is eerily enveloping. Thanks again Sean for spotting these gems.
Class D. Oh NO. No it’s not as good as expensive amps.
I prefer gryphon.
I had devialet 440 pro. Also class D. Very very clean sound, Deeeep soundstage. Very high resolution.
But the most important thing was missing,: it was not engaging, the sound was boring. thin midrange, typical of class D.
How can I have individual volume control remotely of each channel? Preferably under $30
Thought about splicing up two RCA bass knobs + – input with the sub wire then the other out RCA on the knob directly into the amp….but I don’t understand how to determine if that is suitable for the potentially upwards of 300+ watt RMS draw from each channel
Will this work and if so any concerns/cons? Or any better options? Would appreciate replies from anyone that would be knowledgeable on best way to accomplish this. Cheers!
at 5:06 what you are saying actually..?? only accept bare wire.. can’t understand that, please explain
So, this or the emotiva a-300?
How to make this usable with banana plugs. https://youtu.be/YBkjGKk9_xc
Has anyone tried a bi-amp with this for bass and an AB for mids and highs?
Could it be a good idea?
I am using a different model: the Crown 1502. With my DBX DriveRack PA2, I am able to make my speakers work with my room and adjust the sound of my speakers to MY TASTE which to me, is ultimately the goal — not to suit an audio expert’s bias, etc. In other words, my money, my time, my choice!
One thing Sean didn’t mention is that this amp actually goes through AD-DA conversion meaning it digitalizes the signal and uses its built in preamp.
I’d say no, because it is so incredibly inexpensive to make a decent sounding Class D amp. Now, if you want real power, spl and dynamic range find an old Micro-Tech or QSC 1500 from back in the 1980s! They weigh about as much as an elephant but if they were taken care of they likely still work!
I am wondering how the Behringer class D reference amplifier A800 stacks up to the Crown XLS 1002 class D power amplifier. The A800 is 220wpc @ 8ohm and 800w @ 8 0hm bridged, which the XLS 1002 is 215wpc @ 8ohm and 700w @ 8ohm bridged. I heard they compare very evenly…but, I have yet to see any reviews comparing the two. I am in hopes you could do a comparison review of the two. TY very much for this review of the Crown XLS 2502. Have a great day!
For a moment there, I wasn’t sure if I was watching a wine tasting/review.
Hi There, that sound diffuser panel behind the speaker really caught my eye. Whats the material? Wood? Rope?
Is this better than the xli 2500?? I need to power two pv215 speakers
As the proud owner of a Crown XLS 1500 and 2500 that’s 4000 true watts into two subs…I much prefer the original look..just gorgeous…the new is trying too hard
I don’t know why anyone wouldn’t want to use Speakon Connectors, especially if you plug & unplug all the time.
My speakers all use Speakon connectors just like those on the back of this unit. I guess he hasn’t used them before.
Power isn’t everything, what are the distortion figures at any given power level (RMS). Betting it pumps out lots of distortion.
My local vendor says that using professional amplifier will ruin my speakers in long run and recommend me to stick me with emotiva. Can anyone guide?
Who has 2 ohm speakers?? (except car audio).
Is this amp safe to use in preouts for an av receiver?
It’s $ 599 on Amazon
Regarding noise, believe you didn’t well grounded, try wired it with Pre-AMP, then no more noise at all! it’s a little bite tricky to do grounding since the connector is not a normal one, need some creativity.
How does this work with KEF LS50 and a Schiit Ragnarok as source
Looks cheap as hell. It’s like having an ugly ass car that has lots of power.
Why do we need 400 comments about banana plugs. OMFG. Like 3 people can say it and then leave it at that. I want to read comments about opinions