That Pedal Show – Pedal Order Basics: What Goes Where & Why?
That Pedal Show – Pedal Order Basics: What Goes Where & Why?
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“What is the correct order for my pedals?” It’s the first question for anyone getting into stompboxes for the first time, and will crop up again and again no matter how deep you get into the whole glorious mess. So in this episode, Daniel and Mick offer some practical advice on what to put where, and why…
Before we begin, let’s say this loud and clear for the record. THERE IS NO ‘CORRECT’ ORDER FOR YOUR PEDALS! However, there are a few conventions to follow that serve as an excellent start point when you’re trying to make a decision or solve a problem. This video explores that whole deal.
What we ARE dealing with in this video…
Basic effects order:
Wah
Boost/light drive
Heavy drive/distortion
Fuzz
Compression
Modulation
Delay
Tremolo
Reverb
What we ARE NOT dealing in depth with in this video…
Effects loops. Please watch this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iplc4YHJikM&index=4&list=PLlXYVdnj0ogfv8P4wH-xrFllMzWAibSrr
Volume pedals. Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SQ-G75_pk0
Gain stacking with multiple overdrive pedals. Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40iM9vqAIOg&index=7&list=PLlXYVdnj0ogdkxgZdOMmZ5nwLWQ3rReCe
EQ. Please watch this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxGftBt4Jrk
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So… main guitar tone – a boost pedal into the front of the amp. But how do you maintain that tone and add say, a delay. If you hit the delay with the boost, it doesn’t work the same way. And delay first is weird. Delay in the loop also alters the gain structure. A delay that has a boost to bring the level back up? A boos after the delay in the loop?
So far the only way to get the same tone WITH delay is to mic the amp and run a delay on the mic signal
I started off saying I would only get one. Then one wouldn’t cut it so it became three. Before I knew it, I didn’t recognize my floor anymore. My family and friends kept telling me that I had an unhealthy obsession with pedals. They didn’t understand. Still don’t. I realized I had hit rock bottom when I was standing on a street corner offering "services". I didn’t care what kind of pedal it was or where it came from. The weirder it looked the more I had to have it. P.A. helps some. I thought I had it bad until I heard some other people’s stories. One day at a time.
Most important revelation for me: chorus before OD, particularly relevant as I’m moving my CE-3 right now to accommodate another delay ahead of my DD-3.
Brilliant as always, thanks guys!
The speech to text really.. um.. struggles with the word "impedance" 😅
What Is That Wah Pedal??
The Tremolo and Compressor positioning is the most universally helpful thing ever taught by TPS. Thank you so much <3
I’ll try it both ways, but is the standard convention to put your transparent drives first, or the lightest distortion first? Great show.
26:40 – That’s a bit of Tin Spirits but I can’t place it and it’s driving me nuts!!!
They didn’t take into account amps… So… compressor before amp or in the effects loop?
38:49 Wah-Fuzz-Modulation-Chorus-High Gain Over Drive-Lower Gain Over Drive Booster-Compression-Delay-Tremelo-Reverb
Very awkward!
27:21 Don’t worry buddy. I can’t hear the difference either.
Most helpful video I have found so far on order of effects. Very clear and great examples of options. Thanks!
I always put my compressor first. Actually I put my wah first if I’m using one, then comp, but I never play dirt before comp because it creates to much noise. The comp amplifies any noise made by gainy pedals if you put it after. That’s been my experience and I have swapped it around many times in 54 years of playing. Comp always before dirt for me.
There are different types of compressors. Does it have to be a compressor/limiter to work after the overdrives&fuzz, etc.? (to my knowledge, many compressors like the barber tone press are designed for the front of the signal chain and also serve as an effective boost)
I took a 40 minute video about pedal orders and why, and made it into a 2 hour video study of possibilities.
That was amazingly informative guys!! : Wah wah, Fuzz, modulation including chorus, high gain overdrive, low gain overdrive/booster, compression, delay, tremolo, reverb. 🤘Thanks!
Name drop bell!!
Ahhhh so the carpe diem with the Scott Henderson overdrive or whatever, when played together gave a weird sound, like it has latency between the drives or something….
Thanks but about your videos show exatly the model on the film instead to discuss en front of you
Rewatching all your videos again for possibly the fourth time through. I’m in the mood to rearrange my board.
So, can I use a mini tube screamer to boost a blues driver?
G’Day so glad I found this wonderful channel! I was never a pedal freak – and like Stevie Ray only had a Tube Screamer – but times they are a changing – 8 pedals and counting including B Boss tuner 🙂 my vintage Vox Wah and old Boss volume, now have a home. 🙂
Fuzz -> Wah -> Compressor…. C’mon boys!
I love experimenting with my drive orders. I’ve landed on Fuzz——>Distortion——>Lite Overdrive, and for me, it doesn’t get any better than that
I am up to 9 pedals, my truetone CS12 arrives today so now I get to assemble my pedal board. I just hope it all works out with no/minimal noise
Name drop horn? Fucking come on guys!
"Abercrombie & Fitch is a lick contest ’round the man cave of your English buds". Who said that, I forget?
hey gentlemen. i hope you have a second to read a long winded, heartfelt thank you. if you are, this week marks 3 years since i watched this video. my first tps video. early in 2017 i completely overhauled my entire rig and wondered about pedal order. watched this. and well. 3 years later i have the guitar of my dreams (Silverburst Les Paul), a perfectly curated and ordered 15 pedals (id love to send you a pic somehow) AND im proud to say…after playing for 18 years, my first tube amp EVER will be here tomorrow (Blues Jr. Im a bedroom/hobbyist). ive learned everything i know about tone from you guys. not only all that but ive NEVER missed a TPS post, have a fair amount of.your merch and without sounding like a weirdo, kind of consider you guys and your whole crew friends! so thank you. for everything. truly guys. (and if there’s anyway i could send you a pic of the board, id love to! i feel like you’re know how built it) cheers, Dan, Mick and the crew that help make it happen! (off for an impish dance)
The OD before the compression blew me away. It was exactly what was wrong with my setup. Now, with the compressor after the OD, life seems to be good again 😀
I played back and forth with my wah and fuzz order for awhile and settled on fuzz after to get that crazy accentuated wah. That’s the beauty of pedal experimenting though and I’m glad you guys are all about no order being the one true pedal order.
Where should I put my Harpo Marx horn pedal though. It’s kind of indespensable.
Its clean boost…yeah..if you look in the box thers nothing there…cost you 200 dollars tho..
When you said you’d been to NAM I thought you meant the war. Silly me, that shows my age
So what about vibrato? I was running OD > vibrato > tremolo > delay > reverb but after this have swapped to OD > delay > vibrato > tremolo > reverb. When you think about a vibrato on the guitar, however, it’s first (before OD etc). Should I put vibrato first? I think so.
Does all this apply to my line 6 HD500X when I’m making preset patches as well
So how would you order my set up? I have a cry baby, a tu-3 tuner, a ehx lpb 1 boost, sd 1 overdrive, ds 1 distortion, a nano big muff, a mxr dyna comp and a ditto looper. My amp is a peavey classic 50 212 combo
nobody has an actual tremolo pedal on their board.
I found this to be a very informative video. Great jobs PHS 🙂
I tried my keeley Aria in reverse and after my boss super od with my Strat and it was great. But with my Les Paul not so much w humbuckers
The order you say to try at 38:47 is TOTALLY different than the order listed above under "Show More". Which is it?
How about Flanger?
Cripes! I’m in the middle of deciding where to put things on my board (again) and decided to use some of your old vids for help. The germanium thing?! I was intending to put a Moose nomad fuzz with both silicon and germanium diodes (switchable) with a Hudson Broadcast (germanium transistor?) and a box of rock (fet ???) … so with this in mind, pedal order should be … Broadcast -> Fuzz -> Box of rock? ……. I also have an OCD and a Hudson Sidecar here. God, I’ve got to the point where i have to leave stuff out……….maybe i could squeeze the sidecar in there?!
Equal thanks to Dan and Mick. This video literally started my tone exploration. Bought a used Rainbow Machine and wanted to know how to best manipulate it. Stumbled on to this video (5th time rewatching it as I type) and was beyond inspired. Keep doing what you do.
PS Dan try compressor->Russian big muff->blues driver. Really gives the blues driver some balls
At 21:59 where summary of everything so far is, where is the overdrive pedal is it before or after the fuzz?
Love the chicken picking!!
So good! You should teach that in schools..or Oxford maybe. Better both.
What about an "always on" compressor ,should it be at the start of the chain or after gain stage pedals?
I’ve been way too low gain centric with my pedal choices. Just getting into fuzz and higher gain and stacking multiple delays and reverbs… Thanks That Pedal Show and The Pedal Zone!
Eventually , Fuzz before od/dist/fuzz or after those pedals?